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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Estonian ufo research
ViestiLähetetty: 19 Tammi 2009, 06:24 
Hello, UFO friends in Estonia and everywhere,

Gamma, a Finnish UFO researcher, made an important opening. I have had friends in Estonia since my first excursion there in 1969. First my friends were architecture students (as me), but some years later I got to know also specialists of ufology and parapsychology.

Under the Soviet Union it was very hard time for Estonians. That is why all the discussions were confidential, and we didn´t use any letters or emails... we didn´t use even a telephone (because KGB was listening). Sometimes aboard of Georg Ots, the only ship that time between Estonia and Finland, the agents were interviewing Finnish tourists and asking, whom they had met in Estonia...

It might be great, if we could meet here also Estonian friends, but if not, then we could talk about Estonian UFO cases. Hopefully we should use English or Finnish as do most of my friends in Estonia.

I know many Estonian ufologists, best-known Igor Volke, Tunne Kelaam and Jüri Lina, but I don´t know their emails (because of this confidential relationship).

When Estonia was getting her independence 20 years ago, they had a nice TV serie about UFOs (in the beginning of the 1990´s). It had almost 20 parts, and also I had an honour to be a subject of one part.

One of the most interesting UFO cases in that TV serie there was a case of Rakvere, a small town 100 km from Tallin to the East.


CASE OF RAKVERE

Two children (a boy called Raivo and a girl, less than 10 years old) were at home with their grand mother (the parents were out), when 2 small humanoids entered through their fire oven. The girl had a small animal (merisika in Estonia) in her hands - in fact it was owned by a famous Estonian politician Edgar Savisaar, who was a family friend.

One humanoid (of height of the children) took the animal, threw it playfully upwards and asked: "What is this?" The girl answered: "It is merisika." It seems to be that in this way the humanoids were able to become friends of the children, so they were not afraid.

The grand mother was sleeping in the same room, on a sofa. The humanoid showed the grandma and asked: "Is that also a merisika?" The girl was laughing and said: "No, she is our grandma."

Still showing the grandma by his finger humanoid turned the finger - and the grandma rose up into a sitting position (without waking up). When the humanoid turned his finger straight, the grandma got down...

The humanoid moved his finger and the grandma moved in the same rhytm! The girl asked: "Couldn´t you get it quicker?" The humanoid did what ordered, and the grandma got up and down quicker and quicker...

In the morning the grandma was astonished, why her stomach was upset!

The humanoids asked the children to fly by UFO. The children accepted the invitation, but only after they promised to take their dog with.

When the grandma woke up, the children told about the visitors and their UFO trip. The children had returned, but the dog was still out with the UFO. When the grandma looked out of the window, she saw how the dog´s rope was showing into the air, but she could not see the dog.
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Later the children shouted: "Now he is coming!" When the grandma went to the window, she saw, how the dog was floating down from the air... They went out, and could see that the dog was still like paralyzed.

What was also strange, the boy showed to the grandma, how the humanoids had made some drawings on the skin of the boy´s hand: various home animals like a cow. Some drawings had been made by a strange material like wax, and some had been drawn on the skin with red lines.

The story was almost unbelievable, but when the parents came back both the children and the grandma were very serious. Later the parents observed that the boy had developed intellectually during the UFO case.


Tapani Koivula


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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Estonian ufo research
ViestiLähetetty: 19 Tammi 2009, 17:55 
Greetings from Estonia,

I'm an amateur paranormal investigator for http://www.para-web.org

I assumed you want the latest ufo-information from Estonia.

I made a map with Google-Earth, this shows the documented paranormal evens (ufo-s, ghosts, atmosphere phenomena etc)
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=100817811984296866376.00045623407df23fcdb6c&ll=58.631217,25.394897&spn=2.224878,7.119141&z=8

In Merivälja the situation is rather quiet. And no news from there. Still, one day we discussed this object with our friends and came to a solution. Merivälja objekt is the mystical Sampo from Kalevala :)

About the "Haimre rist". I have another report from the year 2004, when a witness saw in the same location a huge triangular black object hovering over the forest. PS, this location is only a kilometer from my home :)

Another most mystical area in Estonia for me is "Kaiu raba" (Kaiu swamp), where we have had some strange experiences (besides other witnesses)- time loss(with stoppers) and some strange ghostly figures on the photos. According to some opinions, there might be a UFO-base under it or some kind of dimension snag.

And jes, there a quite a lot going on here.

Look at my map and if you find something interest you, I can tell you the "story".

Sincirely,
Tom
http://www.para-web.org/index.php

PS. The lates ufo-photo i got is taken on the Tallinn-Helsinki ferry
http://galerii.para-web.org/displayimag ... m=52&pos=3


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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Estonian ufo research
ViestiLähetetty: 19 Tammi 2009, 21:23 
some more stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I0jqrPS5fs
Filmed at Kambja (near Tartu).
In recent times, I have seen meny photos of similar object ( for example http://galerii.para-web.org/displayimag ... m=52&pos=5 )
Any ideas?

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Several cameras captured some strange object in a moto-fest. http://galerii.para-web.org/displayimag ... m=52&pos=0 http://galerii.para-web.org/displayimag ... m=52&pos=1
zoomed in: http://galerii.para-web.org/displayimag ... =4&pos=-14
Reports of these "gray metallic crafts" have been come from all over the country. Mostly witnesses describe them as small round balls, flying mostly in groups.

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But more often people have seen "flying flame balls". Unfortunately I don't have any good photomaterial. Probably some kind of atmosphere phenomen.

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Last year some activist also opened "the first ufo-monument in the world" :)
http://www.foto24.ee/photos/web/S/smarg ... GP0008.JPG
There was a multiple witness sigting, triangular shape craft (like christmas tree)

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Because I can't speak any Finnish, I hereby am looking foward to recieve some good source/link for sightings in Finnland :)
Hope, you have some good photos :D


Tom


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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Estonian ufo research
ViestiLähetetty: 19 Tammi 2009, 22:56 
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some more stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I0jqrPS5fs
Filmed at Kambja (near Tartu).
In recent times, I have seen meny photos of similar object ( for example http://galerii.para-web.org/displayimag ... m=52&pos=5 )
Any ideas?

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Several cameras captured some strange object in a moto-fest. http://galerii.para-web.org/displayimag ... m=52&pos=0 http://galerii.para-web.org/displayimag ... m=52&pos=1
zoomed in: http://galerii.para-web.org/displayimag ... =4&pos=-14
Reports of these "gray metallic crafts" have been come from all over the country. Mostly witnesses describe them as small round balls, flying mostly in groups.

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But more often people have seen "flying flame balls". Unfortunately I don't have any good photomaterial. Probably some kind of atmosphere phenomen.

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Last year some activist also opened "the first ufo-monument in the world" :)
http://www.foto24.ee/photos/web/S/smarg ... GP0008.JPG
There was a multiple witness sigting, triangular shape craft (like christmas tree)

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Because I can't speak any Finnish, I hereby am looking foward to recieve some good source/link for sightings in Finnland :)
Hope, you have some good photos :D


Tom


Tom, võin abiks olla.

Voin auttaa, asun Raumalla, mutta yhteys Viroon on edelleen hyvä.

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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Estonian ufo research
ViestiLähetetty: 20 Tammi 2009, 20:32 
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Let´s see what I can do. I have spoken more that written in finnish.

(Kokeillaan, miten onnistu. Olen enemmän puhunnut, kuin kirjoittanut suomeksi. Elikä, olis hyvä, jos joku ottais kirjoitusvirhet korjattaviksi. :D)


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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Estonian ufo research
ViestiLähetetty: 22 Tammi 2009, 19:12 
Gamma kirjoitti:
Map tells also about Hipodroomi.. I didn't found a anything about case. Is it claimed to be similar than Merivälja or what..?


This is a case told me by mr Volke personally. I'm not shure, if I was authoriced to "advertise" it, but I belive in honestness and info openess :).
I don't know the exact year, but it happenend in the beginning of 90-s. It was late night and only some jockeys were in stable working. One of them decided to go outside for a smoke. In nereby park/forest he noticed some strange lights. He was curious and went to see it. He sneaked clouser and saw a strange "bell like" craft and 4-5 short humanoids arount the object. He watched for a while and then run away to call for others. As they returned, there was nothing left.

Lainaa:
I would like also know more about Lasnamäe .......cases.

Most interesting, what I know about Lasnamäe is a case few years ago.

In the beginning of May, 2002, one early morning a 14 year old boy woke up, when he heard a jet-like noise. When he looked out of the window, he saw a cromed metallic spinnig disk, which blinking lights spinned in the oposite direction. It hovered over the "Lasnamäe canal".
He wanted to wake his older brother in the next room, but was too afraid, because his brother was with a girlfriend :)

Lainaa:
I would like also know more about ........Paldiski cases.


Thing with Paldiski is that there is a rumor, that the soviets built their nuclear power plant on top of a UFO wracage. There's not much information about that, so it could be only a legend.
The romur is, that in the beginning of soviet era one UFO crashed there. When they discovered it and wanted to dig it up, the craft just flew deep underground.

In the same area (closed Paldiski militar area) some soldiers shooted a UFO from kalashnikovs in 1985, when it was hovering over them.

Lainaa:
Map includes also humanoid case from Rutja rand, which could be interesting.


Near Rutja is a Mohni island, which posesses a very strange energy. I belive, it's connected with the Rutja case.
It happened in the 80-s. Two soviet cost guards noticed a quite bizarre thing. A over 2m high blue robotic humanoid just run out of water with his arms up. Like robot, and run like hell to the forest. A military unit was called for help and they searched the forest, but nothing was found.
Similar "running robotic humanoids" have been noticed in Kaiu too. Also a very strange energetic place.


Lainaa:
Läänemaal bussi oodanud mehed nägid esmaspäeva õhtupoolikul taevas seitset tundmatut lendavat objekti. Haapsalu-Lihula maantee ääres seisnud meestel oli võimalus taevasse punaseid jutte jätnud objekte vaadelda veerand tundi."Oli seitse objekti, punane jutt taga, need nägid välja nagu reisilennukid," rääkis üks anomaaliat näinud meestest Andres Tael ajalehele Lääne Elu.Kell veerand viis Kurevere bussipeatusse jõudnud mehed nägid algul kolme objekti. Mõne minuti pärast lisandus neile veel neli, kõik lendasid lääne suunas.Eesti anomaalsete nähtuste uurija Igor Volke ütles, et tõenäosusega 51 protsenti oli tegemist ufodega. Sarnast nähtust täheldati Eestis 1998. aasta talvel, mil mitu inimest nägid Harjumaal taevas korraga seitset objekti. Eilse ja toonase nähtuse kirjeldused langevad kokku, rääkis Volke.Volke ei välistanud võimalust, et tegu oli võõrriikide sõjalennukitega, sest Eesti ei kontrolli oma õhuruumi. See oli tänavu juba seitsmes ufo-vaatlus.


This story is about some strange aircrafts, which left behind red stripes. There were seven objects.
Mr Volke commented this :"51 chance, that it was ufo. He doesn't eliminate the fact, that these could have been some military aircrafts."

There is a slight chance, that I saw the same crafts. I was at Pakri island, near Paldiski and saw 7-8 objects flying next to each other over the clouds. Silently.


With greetings,
Tom


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ViestiLähetetty: 22 Tammi 2009, 21:53 
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Terve Gamma:
Annoit tuossa linkin sellaiseen paikkaan kuin ' rajatieto ' jossa on joitakin valokuvia.
Otin yhteyttä viime vuonna tuohon paikkaan ja huomautin että olivat kopsanneet niitä kuvia mitä minä itse olin laittanut keskustelupalstoille eri syistä.
Kuvat olivat peräisin kirjastani ' Outoja kohteita Suomen taivaalla ' ja huomattuani että tuo ' rajatieto ' keräsi omalle sivulleen kaikki kuvat jotka olin laittanut jollekin palstalle niin lopetin täysin kuvien laittamisen palstoille.
Kyseisestä paikasta saamani vastaus oli varsin tyly.

Esim. tuo Jämsän kuva on lähetetty minulle yksityisesti. Eikä kuvaaja ole ' tuntematon ' kuten tuolla sivulla väitetään vaan tiedän varsin hyvin kuka kuvaaja on ja hänen nimensä on lisäksi julkaistu ko. teoksessa ' Outoja....'

Tästä oli puhetta kanssasi Gamma jo aikaisemmin. Olet tainnut unohtaa keskustelumme.

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 Viestin otsikko: Re: Estonian ufo research
ViestiLähetetty: 22 Loka 2009, 20:39 
Hi,
Long time no see. Estonian media reminded me of you, when "last week there was a ufo crach in Finnland" :D http://www.elu24.ee/?id=178432 What is actually Vantaa case ? Few years ago?

In other news from Estonia:
In late summer Muhu island rise again to media. From there there are many-many reports of "flaming ball" and from decades of years. http://ohtuleht.ee/index.aspx?id=342129
Even my personal friend has seen it. It is active specialy in august and next year I want to spend several days in that "hot spot".

Some kind of different "fire ball" has also upsated people. For example: http://www.foto24.ee/photos/web/T/Tooma ... FO_029.JPG
In Pärnu. The person described it as wabbeling ball. Later "shooted out" into space. This kind of balls are active in Pärnu area and in Kunda, Vihula area.

One fenomen, that's interst me is some kind of disk with flashing light: http://ohtuleht.ee/index.aspx?id=341669 in Rapla and http://www.foto24.ee/photos/web/D/Dusty ... 225977.jpg in Pärnu. Also I got one report, when the witness saw it low fly-by.

Other sightings you can look at google-maps: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie ... ,11.25&z=7


Since I can't speak finnish, maybe You translate some phenomens in english too ?
Also we are planning a trip in next year summer to Finnland. Can you reccomend some must-see places. Even some valenteers to meet maybe :) ?


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ViestiLähetetty: 22 Loka 2009, 22:03 
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Hi Tom:
Sorry, the case from Vantaa was no ufo but the condensation- trail from an airplane.
I investigated that case myself and you can read my report down below.
I want to point out that I have named this kind of phenomenon " The December- phenomenon " because these kind of spectacular contrails are most often seen in December or near December.
Just wait and see, soon it is December again!
Down here is my report, in Finnish:
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8.12.2003: Tulipallo Vantaan yllä. Kuvaaja Johanna Siltala. ( Alla ) :

MTV 3: n uutisissa ( Huomenta Suomi ) kerrotaan 17.12.2003 kello 7:39 videosta jonka oululainen Johanna Siltala oli kuvannut käydessään Vantaalla 8.12.2003.

Siltala oli kuvannut kohteen kello 9.00. Kuvassa nähdään 1 minuutin ja 11 sekunnin ajan taivaalla lentävän valaisevan ilmiön.
MTV3: n uutisten lukija Heikki Lukinmaa kertoo asiasta näin:
" Vantaa toissa maanantaiaamuna Helsingissä koiranäyttelyssä viikonloppuna olleen oululaisnaisen silmään osuu epätavallisen näköinen kuvio korkealla kirkastuvalla aamutaivaalla. Taivas on pilvetön, näkyvyys hyvä. Mukana oleva kamera otetaan onneksi esille. "
Naisen ääni: " Mikä tuo on? Mikä toi on, ja kato mikä tuo on?".
Lukinmaa: " Mitään ääntä ei ilmiöstä kuulu. Naiset kuvaavat kohdetta useita kymmeniä sekunteja kunnes se katoaa horisontin taa. Helpoin ja ehkä sittenkin todennäköisin vaihtoehto on lentokone, onhan Helsinki- Vantaan kenttä lähistöllä. Mutta. Olisiko sittenkin kyseessä korkealla ilmakehässä kitkan kuumentama palava satelliitti tai kantoraketti, avaruusromu. Sen puolesta puhuu ainakin ilmiön pitkäkestoisuus. Toisaalta kuvio pysyy aika hyvin kasassa, irtoavia kappaleita ei näy. Myös värit pysyvät tasaisina . Onko kyseessä meteori tai peräti asteroidi joka ohitti maapallon varsin läheltä korkealla ilmakehän yläpuolella. Mistään tällaisesta ei ole toisaalta raportoitu maailmalta".
Toinen uutistenlukija kommentoi: " Sinne meni. Maallikon ei auta muu kuin luokitella se tuntemattomaksi lentäväksi esineeksi, tuttavallisemmin ufoksi. "

B.B. :n kommentti: Kyseessä on selvästikin nousevan auringon valaisema lentokoneen jättövana. Tätä tukee se ettei mitään alassyöksyvää meteoria tai avaruusromua tai ufoa ole raportoitu.
Vastaavanlaisia videoita on maailmalla muitakin, esim. Norjassa. Myös Suomessa on filmattu toinen samantapainen ilmiö 13.12.2005.

Lisäys 2.11.2007: Olen tänään nähnyt videon joka on filmattu Ruotsissa 23.12.2001 Eskilstunan yllä kello 15 maissa. Tämä video näyttää täysin samanlaiselta kuin Vantaan video. Kiinnitän huomiota siihen että kaikki nämä videot ( 23.12.2001, 8.12.2003, 13.12.2005 ) on kuvattu joulukuussa tai tammikuussa. Myös 26.11.2006 kuvattu video on kuvattu ’ miltei ’ joulukuussa. Tämä taas antaa aihetta olettaa että se on hyvin matalalla oleva aurinko joka aiheuttaa sen että lentokoneen vana näkyy harvinaisen selvästi talviaikaan.
Tätä videota on usein sekoitettu 13.12.2005 Helsingin yllä otettuun videoon, mutta 17.11. 2007 ja 19.11.2007 käydyissä puhelinkeskusteluissa ( Borg/ Siltala )
Siltala vahvistaa kuvanneensa videon vuonna 2003.

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ViestiLähetetty: 31 Tammi 2010, 20:29 
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Hello,

For some globaly understandable information, I started a little "international corner" in para-web: http://para-web.org/forumdisplay.php?fid=64

In other news, there has been some "blavk triangle" sightings in Türi city (11.&12. jan 2010).
Original article: http://para-web.org/viewthread.php?tid= ... #pid104075
The same witness also described lots of other sightings in the past in the same region.

Some "not-so-shure" sigtings, someone managed to film a orange dot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APGbsYWnrUw . Which had another independent sighting nearby. Near Tallinn.

And in "fake-ufo" category, there are lots and lots of "chinese latern" sigtings :). People are not used with that new thing.
Also, the big cold brougt us "blinking-star-ufo" reports :). Obviously a atmospheric illusion.


Yes, we have still a little idea to come to Finland in this summer. Lets see. I'll let you know.


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